Is war wrong? - Page 3

suanne · #21 10-19-2010, 11:36 AM

I'm sorry. But I just can't get past the idea of crazed tyrant resembling Hitler or Napolean taking over the USA. As a Christian I want my government to protect our boundaries, to protect our democratic living, to protect the innocent. Our justice system may leave much to be desired, but it is at least (for now) reasonably just and humane. I want that protected. We have it great, compared to much of the world government systems.
God wiped out nations who were evil. I'm not suggesting we go on a war rampage. If we can promote democracy in countries needing it the most without interfering, do it. If we can help them who want help. That is not such a bad idea. But I wouldn't extend it to military help.
At least keep the evil out of own country, please.

suanne · #22 10-19-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by giggle_monster

Okay I know the bible does not say anything about drugs so does that make it right to do drugs? And I also know that medication is considered drugs but what I was refereeing to was like crack and other bad drugs like that. Not medication just thought I would make that clear

Your body is a temple of God. If it isn't good for you, God doesn't like it.

sammy2010 · #23 10-19-2010, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by suanne

Your body is a temple of God. If it isn't good for you, God doesn't like it.

Okay... to make things more clear I am not taking drugs I was just using that as an example...

suanne · #24 10-19-2010, 01:46 PM

I heard you. You don't do drugs and you were using it as an example. Drugs are something that God does not specifically address, but use of such would be considered a sin. How one comes to that conclusion is that the Bible says your Body is God's Temple. Ie We shouldn't pollute God's temple.
You just have to read Bible and get general idea about some things. You have to make a judgment. There is no indecision with God, it is sin or is not sin. But it is not always clear to man.
Hope this is more clear.

PastorZomok · #25 10-19-2010, 03:36 PM

It is interesting how the postings start to stray away from the first one and original question.

I think we are to look for justice and fighting/ or war is a last resort. I think it can be shown that proper self-defense and being strong is Biblical, indeed, it is mandated. We are also not to be doormats for the world. Jesus said, "..If you lack a sword sell your garment and buy one..." (Luke 22:36). And Jesus himself made a weapon of sorts, a whip, and threw the money changers out of the temple, although he did not kill anyone...only their business! He made a brief and small war on these people. He did cause them damage. (John 2:13-). I don't think I am jerking verses out of context here but if one carries a sword it also means it might have to be used, afterall it is not for decorations.

Plainly we are to promote peace and justice but not all war is wrong. I think Thomas Aquinias and his theory on Just War is basically correct. One can examine this online.

Marine_boy · #26 10-19-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PastorZomok

It is interesting how the postings start to stray away from the first one and original question.

I think we are to look for justice and fighting/ or war is a last resort. I think it can be shown that proper self-defense and being strong is Biblical, indeed, it is mandated. We are also not to be doormats for the world. Jesus said, "..If you lack a sword sell your garment and buy one..." (Luke 22:36). And Jesus himself made a weapon of sorts, a whip, and threw the money changers out of the temple, although he did not kill anyone...only their business! He made a brief and small war on these people. He did cause them damage. (John 2:13-). I don't think I am jerking verses out of context here but if one carries a sword it also means it might have to be used, afterall it is not for decorations.

Plainly we are to promote peace and justice but not all war is wrong. I think Thomas Aquinias and his theory on Just War is basically correct. One can examine this online.

Although myself and Pastor Zomok may disagree on many theological issues, I totally and wholeheartedly agree with this post. lol

DDSkreamer · #27 10-20-2010, 08:16 AM

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So we as Christians are supposed to sit back and let other countries invade and murder our own people, but we can't stop them or retaliate because that would mean we would have to participate in violent means? That would be great in a perfect world. But this is the world and it will not be perfect until the new Heaven and new Earth. If we did such things, there would be anarchy, chaos and destruction. Not to say that there isn't destruction because of the military, but the Bible says that everything was to be done decently and in order.

There is noting new under the Sun. The world has never been perfect. Let the dead fight their own wars. As a Christian I would die for my enemy, just as Christ died for me while I was still in sin. But I will not kill another human being or serve in Caesar's regime. I'd rather die than immulate that which I hate.

As for the wars in the Old Testament, why do you think the Jewish people are hated by many nations today? Violence begat violence. Attempt genocide of a people and you can expect retalliation from their offspring.

Those who have carried the banner of "Christendom" while killing innocents in the name of God do not reflect the Holy Spirit. Love does no intentional harm.

DDSkreamer · #28 10-20-2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by giggle_monster

Okay I know the bible does not say anything about drugs so does that make it right to do drugs? And I also know that medication is considered drugs but what I was refereeing to was like crack and other bad drugs like that. Not medication just thought I would make that clear

I know of no proper medical uses for crack cocain. I adivse people to stay clear of crack cocain as it s proven to cause many serious health issues and is highly addictive.

This is not to say the root elements used in the creation of crack cocain (the cocoa plant) do not have any medicinal value. Quite the opposite. But I would have to agree that crack cocain is indeed a "bad drug".

I pointed this out because there is no sin in useing a drug properly. The annointing oil is a drug. It saved Israel.

sammy2010 · #29 10-20-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DDSkreamer

I know of no proper medical uses for crack cocain. I adivse people to stay clear of crack cocain as it s proven to cause many serious health issues and is highly addictive.

This is not to say the root elements used in the creation of crack cocain (the cocoa plant) do not have any medicinal value. Quite the opposite. But I would have to agree that crack cocain is indeed a "bad drug".

I pointed this out because there is no sin in useing a drug properly. The annointing oil is a drug. It saved Israel.

So is pot and weed and other drugs good? I know that crack comes from the cocoa plant. But the other drugs are good? Drugs can hurt the human body and the human body is a temple as God says. So if we are hurting our body by doing drugs would that be wrong still? We are supposed to treat our body as a temple of God. Wouldn't God find it wrong if we do drugs that harm our body? I believe he will be upset if we hurt our bodies with the drug effects.

Marine_boy · #30 10-20-2010, 11:45 AM

No, the reason that Israel is hated is because they are God's chosen people. And I'm sorry, but God told the Children of Israel to go to war in the Old Testament. If God tells me to do something, I dont care if someone hates me for it, because there are always going to be people that hate you for one reason or another. I'd rather be hated for obeying God and doing what he told me to do.

Just a thought, but many of the powerful men of God (especially in the Old Testament) were warriors. They killed people. They were known as brave and courageous warriors. If that's true and it's wrong for us to take other's lives in any circumstance, then why did God anoint them as King or other rulers?